What would I do if in the middle of an agitated Mob of Protesters that is rocking my car??
A recent death of an African American man by a white police Officer has sparked racial tensions in multiple cities across the United States. After being told to leave work early in a downtown area, you are inevitably held over. You can see protesters from the window of your office building while looking below at the street. As your conference call comes to a close, you look at the time, it is now dusk. You turn on the news and are advised that protests are generally peaceful but last night scores of businesses suffered looting and arson attacks as well as violent attacks. A security guard is stationed within the parking garage and advises you, you are one of the last to leave and to stay safe. You get in your car, ensuring the windows and door locks are locked, entering the downtown area.
As you approach a city intersection a group of illegal protesters gather in the center of the street. Chanting at you, "No Justice, No Peace." The crowd gathers around your vehicle, some beginning to rock it side to side.
What do you do?
Warning shots are generally unlawful, they are not in the continuum of force. Outside of some military applications they are generally not advisable. LE, Military and CCW instructors all advise against them not only for their ineffective nature but the unlawful nature of discharging a round onto a unknown target. Round has to go somewhere. Using a lethal weapon means that you fear for your life, a display of force has already been presented when you pulled your CCW, warning shots do nothing and could bring force against you.I take any threat seriously...may fire warning shots
Having been through Wyoming in the fall it hit me that there is absolutely nothing for incredible distances on the highway. Cell phone service is not great, good luck getting internet or the fancy stuff on your phone to work outside any of the cities.= It was winter and the areas she passed through could be nasty and the roads were often some of the first ones that were closed. Depending on where you were stuck at they could be really remote too.
Yep there are some remote stretches. Hell I drove 75 miles down a highway just outside my house to CO a couple of summers ago and didn't see a single vehicle or person in that time. Cell service is fairly good along the main corridors like I80 usually, but can fade out at any time. Don't even try in some areas off the beaten path. I've heard the ads about 4g and 5g or whatever. I get 3g once in awhile on my phone. It started squawking and making noise on me one day when I was down in Ogden, UT. I had no clue what was going on. Apparently being in the big city it picked up on the different things I usually don't get and was trying to update and connect and whatnot.Having been through Wyoming in the fall it hit me that there is absolutely nothing for incredible distances on the highway. Cell phone service is not great, good luck getting internet or the fancy stuff on your phone to work outside any of the cities.
On a road trip, it also dawned on me when I saw the open gates, during storms they do not plow like they do on the East Coast. They close the gate and wait, if people are stuck in between the sections they may be there for sometime.
Nebraska is just about as remote, between Cheyenne WY and Lincoln, not much exist. I'm curious what do they do for the non-local's who get stuck on the roads? I'm sure people become trapped every year between the gates.It's hard for them to plow and do upkeep on the roads here. .
GTK, Thanks. I live in a Downtown where we sometimes have violence, and in my neighborhood just had one killed and 4 wounded. I can tell you that oftentimes people fire their guns down here, and people DO get out of the way- FAST. Of course, these are illegal guns, and it's usually a fight, and not an illegal Protest. I do not have a CCL at this time, but if I did I certainly would abide by the Law to the letter. I realize that when you fire a bullet upwards as a warning that it still has to come down, and could come down anywhere- so I get your point. Good Talk! :grinWarning shots are generally unlawful, they are not in the continuum of force. Outside of some military applications they are generally not advisable. LE, Military and CCW instructors all advise against them not only for their ineffective nature but the unlawful nature of discharging a round onto a unknown target. Round has to go somewhere. Using a lethal weapon means that you fear for your life, a display of force has already been presented when you pulled your CCW, warning shots do nothing and could bring force against you.
If you feel your life is in danger, you may need to stop the threat, not scare it off. A concealed carry handgun is not for intimidation, it's to stop lethal threats to you or your family. If the threat backs off after you pulled your weapon, great, don't fire. It's a fluid concept, use of force, up and down the continuum.
This, of course, is not to knock your input at all. I enjoy these discussions, so much so I have made a career of what if's.
Anne, no easy answer. Protesters are human and I'm not sure any of us are prepared to smash into people with our vehicles. Once the threat has started however, if you are pulled out of your vehicle things are going to go downhill very quickly.BTW What would YOU do in this situation- and let's ramp it up a bit- your 2 Year old Son is in the backseat car seat..?? You are surrounded and they are shaking your car back and forth, as described...thanks, Anne
These Videos are a great example, and TY for showing the unEdited versions. Surely the Driver could NOT see what was going on because people were on the car hood obstructing the view, while others were beating at the windows. You must flee in that situation, 2 yr. old in back seat or not...or become Victim. I would hope any of us would try to keep a level head, call for help, and make decisions based on the level of perceived threat. A Mob that is out of control as we've seen all this week on TV, and perhaps have even witnessed in real life can quickly become a lethal threat. I personally hope none of us has to ever make that difficult decision as to whether or not to use lethal force. Unfortunately, these days you need a plan, and you have to be willing to survive if it comes down to that, and protect your loved ones, IMHO.Anne, no easy answer. Protesters are human and I'm not sure any of us are prepared to smash into people with our vehicles. Once the threat has started however, if you are pulled out of your vehicle things are going to go downhill very quickly.
In one of the video's currently on YouTube, the vehicle inches towards protesters and is going 1 or 2 miles per hour, less than walking speed, the protesters start yelling the vehicle hit someone. People start jumping on the station wagon, beating on it with flag poles ect; it's obvious, if the vehicle grazed someone no injuries were incurred. Once the first act of violence occurs by the mob, you have no hope but to get out of there. The driver of the vehicle proceeds to drive through the crowd.
The scary thing? The video shows a small child (maybe 8 or 9) standing with his father. I did not know anti-police protests were a family activity.
In the other video, the reporter in the news chopper overhead almost seems surprised that the driver floors it. People have to be realistic, these protests could easily turn violent. Being surrounded, being yelled at, people beating on your windows. You better believe a person can fear for their lives and the lives of anyone else in the vehicle. It can quickly turn into a life or death situation.
To answer your question, if I feel the protests are about to turn violent, I'm getting out of there. I would do my best to avoid the intersection but once you are there you have to push through the threat. If you are mobile, stay mobile, just like convoy operations. Stopping and being surrounded is a major risk. I don't see a concealed firearm being the answer, as it is typical to only carry 5 to 10 rounds in a backup firearm. It's debatable if CCW's will even carry an extra magazine. You are not going to survive if you stay near the protesters, they feel justified in their physical response due to mob mentality, once it's started it's not going to end. A heck of a lot more people than a backup defensive firearm is meant to deal with.