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I picked up another FJ in October, 2013 TT. Super excited to be back in an FJ and have been looking at getting a 2013 TT for awhile now. It been great except one kinda major thing. Its terrible in ice and snow. Like terrible terrible. I forgot until driving this new one how and my last FJ was in the snow too. Im coming from an ALL wheel drive MINI Countryman which was almost impossible to lose traction in that car, and that was on decent all season tires. Before that I had a BMW 128i, rear wheel drive with dedicated snow tires...that was also fantastic in the snow and ice...

That leads me to my FJ. Its awful. I even have brand new BFGoodrich KO2s on it and it might as well have summer tires. Maybe its the high center of gravity, maybe its that all the weight is up front. I actually stopped in a parking lot this morning on a slight incline and the FJ started sliding down it with the brakes on and stopped.

I've read extensively about this and I don't want the typical responses, "learn how to drive", or "this isn't an all wheel car", or "the FJ is flawless and I hate you"

...at the end of the day, when you get into your car and have the proper tires, it should perform safely in all the elements.

Its impossible that I am the only person experiencing this with the FJ and I would like to hear from other honest people that have similar issues and what they did to work around them.
 

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I'm curious about this too. I'm a bit over a month into my first FJ. While I'm not in a huge snow-area, we do see snow here from time to time. How the FJ operates in the snow is something that will be important to me.

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Hi All,

I picked up another FJ in October, 2013 TT. Super excited to be back in an FJ and have been looking at getting a 2013 TT for awhile now. It been great except one kinda major thing. Its terrible in ice and snow. Like terrible terrible. I forgot until driving this new one how and my last FJ was in the snow too. Im coming from an ALL wheel drive MINI Countryman which was almost impossible to lose traction in that car, and that was on decent all season tires. Before that I had a BMW 128i, rear wheel drive with dedicated snow tires...that was also fantastic in the snow and ice...

That leads me to my FJ. Its awful. I even have brand new BFGoodrich KO2s on it and it might as well have summer tires. Maybe its the high center of gravity, maybe its that all the weight is up front. I actually stopped in a parking lot this morning on a slight incline and the FJ started sliding down it with the brakes on and stopped.

I've read extensively about this and I don't want the typical responses, "learn how to drive", or "this isn't an all wheel car", or "the FJ is flawless and I hate you"

...at the end of the day, when you get into your car and have the proper tires, it should perform safely in all the elements.

Its impossible that I am the only person experiencing this with the FJ and I would like to hear from other honest people that have similar issues and what they did to work around them.
I use my FJ as a commuting vehicle, specially in the snow and ice, in upstate NY. This truck is simply awesome for winter weather. I am running BFGoodrich tires too, and have no problems with traction. What tire pressures are you running and how old are the tires?
 

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The FJ is a heavy pig. I would chalk this up to the tires. I've had several sets of BFGs over the years and in my experience, they are not a good snow tire at all. I bought my FJ used and there was an almost brand knew set of BFGs on it. I pulled those off after the first snow (after sledding down our driveway) and put better ones on. Made a huge difference.

IMO get better suited tires and your FJ will serve you well.
 

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Super excited to be back in an FJ
Welcome back!

I even have brand new BFGoodrich KO2s on it
I've never used them myself, but I've heard bad things about them in all conditions. They look BA though.

I actually stopped in a parking lot this morning on a slight incline and the FJ started sliding down it with the brakes on and stopped.
Sounds like it's not the car unless the brakes / park wasn't working. Probably tires.

I've read extensively about this and I don't want the typical responses, "learn how to drive", or "this isn't an all wheel car", or "the FJ is flawless and I hate you"
The FJ is flawless...

...at the end of the day, when you get into your car and have the proper tires, it should perform safely in all the elements.
Indeed. I don't have any snow or ice but I love my Cooper AT3s. @FJMatt swore by AT3s until he bought studded tires.

Its impossible that I am the only person experiencing this with the FJ and I would like to hear from other honest people that have similar issues and what they did to work around them.
Speak to the Canadians & Coloradans.
 

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"the FJ is flawless and I hate you"
HA! That made me choke on my coffee.

Regarding snow and ice - i have noticed varying behavior. i can be driving 30+ mph in deep snow in 4H and it handles like a boss. Then sometimes in an icy parking lot in 2H at 5 mph the slip indicator comes on and all hell breaks loose. (that is probably supposed to happen if it is indeed slippery but it scares the crap out of me)

i am still running the destination a/t's that were on when i bought the fj. i have been doing donuts on my neighbors' lawns trying to wear them out as fast as possible so i can upgrade. i do imagine that better tires will significantly improve both low and high speed snow and ice performance. (i have been eyeballing the Nitto Exo Grapplers)
 

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...at the end of the day, when you get into your car and have the proper tires, it should perform safely in all the elements.

Its impossible that I am the only person experiencing this with the FJ and I would like to hear from other honest people that have similar issues and what they did to work around them.
Speak to the Canadians & Coloradans.
Colorado resident here, though I'm not a native (minus points) and I haven't been elected to speak for all of them.

Problem #1 : BFG AT's are terrible deep-snow tires, just as they're terrible mud tires. The gaps between the treads are too tight, so they can't self-clean.

Problem #2 : Only studded tires work on ice. For everything else it's about momentum and throttle/brake inputs. Tread has a little bit of impact, but not much. Siping helps, but it's better if they come that way from the factory.

I am guessing the issue is tire selection. I run Duratracs.
^^^ go on any offroading run with a group in Colorado, and at least half of them have Duratracs. These tires are taking over the world. A few weeks ago a couple of FJ's slid into a ditch on a hill, and the Sheriff's deputy showed up on Duratracs. This is why you're starting to see 2-3 different Duratrac clones now coming from the other tire manufacturers. Also, Duratrac's are factory siped.
@EffJ, if the problem is deep snow then you might need new tires. If the problem is driving on packed snow / ice, it's either studded tires or slow down.
 

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Tires. Tires. Tires.

Doesn't matter if it's an FJC or a '68 Nova, tires are going to be the difference.
 

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I am from the north (Detroit) originally so I learned at an early age how to drive in the snow and ice. That being said I am new to the FJC platform and have yet to drive her in the white stuff, but I would have to gather some of the issue may be;
Tires
Weight distribution
4 x 4 settings?
momentum or lack there of

I would just play around with it, did you ever drive your other one in the snow and ice?
 

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Minnesota here, no issues with the FJ and even when I had stock tires, now running Duratracks. Not sure what you "expected" or how you believe the FJ "should" handle and perform in snow and ice but after owning various 4x4s and AWD vehicles for over 25 years I'm more than satisfied.
Obviously it isn't styled or designed like your countryman and really shouldn't perform like one. Weight and height, where and how it is dispersed and manipulated are vastly different. Maybe, as others have suggested, your tires aren't performing as well as other tires might.
I think some playtime in snow is in order, start off slow and experiment. I believe you'll see the performance differences not as inadequacies once you become more comfortable, but rather as capabilities you hadn't realized in other former vehicles.
 

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I just ran this FJ in my first snow about a week ago and I was pretty impressed by the way it handled ,,could be the tires your running ,"hard telling, not knowing" as far as ice I have had vehicles start sliding after parking ..not much you can do on a wet ice surface except turn the tires to avoid sliding towards an area you would rather avoid or keep some sand with ya to throw down..
 

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Are you driving an auto or a manual? That can make a difference too.
 

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You didn't mention if you were driving in 2WD or 4HI. In snow, the FJ is indeed terrible in 2WD. Around my house in the winter with 2WD there are constant bells and warning lights going off but switching to 4HI gives an extremely controlled ride. Tires also make a huge difference. I've not used KO2s before but I found Duratracs to be noticeably better than the original KOs in deep or packed snow.

However, maybe you were just driving with too much confidence. It's a very common problem with 4WD vehicles with tough looking tires. If you are driving a Mini or BMW, you are probably babying it subconsciously because you know it's likely to do something squirrelly at any moment. In the FJ you are over confident and the truck doesn't react like you'd expect (though, it doesn't go flying off the road like the Mini or BMW might have).
 
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