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^Good advice

I went in on the last day of the month just to browse for my wife and the dealer went into a panic when we started to walk out. Actually pulled our keys off the table where I had set them and "misplaced" them until I told them just to call me a cab.

When I negotiated my FJ recently I went over the vehicle with a note pad, wrote down everything that wasnt OEM and asked to see the service records for the installation of everything else. If I found anything wonky (and I did, deck screws through the seat backs to hold an amp) I used that to call everything about the vehicle into question. Dealer dropped thousands off the asking price before we started "haggling".

Go into it like you're doing them a favor, because you are.
You are doing them a favor, but keep in mind, this FJ will sell no matter what.:wink
 

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but keep in mind, this FJ will sell no matter what.:wink
Maybe, don't be so sure. The majority of buyers out there want something in production. The mental trip is out lasting the dealer. Everything is in your favor so be calm, they say people are going to fight over it, but really pretty much everyone that wanted an FJ has or had one. So a vehicle on a dealer lot is dead meat if it is out of production.
 

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I see what you are saying @abophx :) But why do they hold their resale value so well?

The last day of the month is for sure the best time to but though!
 

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Their resale value holds high because it's a Toyota and that is long term not short term. Look for what other Toyotas are going for, it doesn't always apply to your region or demographics. The higher resale value is based on VEHICLES in production. The buying market has a thing for the newest and bestest, so watch carefully. You could get this FJ for alot cheaper or not, but remember there are others out there and you will learn from this and that will carry you thru life. Trust me on this I know.
 

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I paid $2400 less than the dealer did for the car.

Just ask them to show you how much they paid for it. Paying anywhere near that is a good price.

People like having all these little tricks for car shopping about when to go in and what to say and do...

Just ask them how much they paid and then expect to pay a little more than that. Problem solved.
So, you really think the dealer lost money on you? I highly doubt it, and I doubt you were really shown what they actually paid for the vehicle. If you are buying a new vehicle, the dealer has several avenues of making money, besides just the margin on the price, but again, I just don't see a dealer taking a loss on a vehicle.
 

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So, you really think the dealer lost money on you? I highly doubt it, and I doubt you were really shown what they actually paid for the vehicle. If you are buying a new vehicle, the dealer has several avenues of making money, besides just the margin on the price, but again, I just don't see a dealer taking a loss on a vehicle.
The previous owner said he got a check from the dealer for $2400 more than what I paid for it.

I'm no mathematician, but if the dealer paid more money for the FJ than I paid the dealer for the FJ...
 

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I've also sold cars before and have a good friend that works at the dealer that I got the car from.
 

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Hello everyone. Picked up my first FJ this year and am totally in love with it. Also love this forum. This thread got me thinking a little though and I would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

It seems like chrome is a negative to most folks in here, and functionality seems to rule over aesthetics when it comes to mods. The FJ i bought has a chrome grille guard and i am on the fence with it. it appears to serve a purpose - protecting the lights and a bit underneath the bumper. it is bolted to the frame so it *should* provide some protection if it is pushed in for any reason. i have no prior experience with these so i simply don't know.

i do like it (and get lots of compliments, actually) but would have picked a black one (integrated with bumper) and perhaps one with a slightly lower profile. in your experiences would this be something to hang on to? Also those side steps are the next thing to go!

(p.s. does anyone else's wife think they are insane for putting so much thought into these things)
 

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Hello everyone. Picked up my first FJ this year and am totally in love with it. Also love this forum. This thread got me thinking a little though and I would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

It seems like chrome is a negative to most folks in here, and functionality seems to rule over aesthetics when it comes to mods. The FJ i bought has a chrome bullguard and i am on the fence with it. it appears to serve a purpose - protecting the lights and a bit underneath the bumper. it is bolted to the frame so it *should* provide some protection if it is pushed in for any reason. i have no prior experience with these so i simply don't know.

i do like it (and get lots of compliments, actually) but would have picked a black one and perhaps one with a slightly lower profile. in your experiences would this be something to hang on to? Also those side steps are the next thing to go!

(p.s. does anyone else's wife think they are insane for putting so much thought into these things)
The bullguard is ok if you are not going to do any serious off-roading. It's great for trails to protect a little against small brush. It appears that if you were going to do any serious off-roading it will detract from the factory approach angle.

If those are predator steps then they will cause you to get hung up on rocks depending on where you go.

Great looking truck and if the modification bug hits the truck will take on a new look anyway.
 

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Hello everyone. Picked up my first FJ this year and am totally in love with it. Also love this forum. This thread got me thinking a little though and I would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

It seems like chrome is a negative to most folks in here, and functionality seems to rule over aesthetics when it comes to mods. The FJ i bought has a chrome bullguard and i am on the fence with it. it appears to serve a purpose - protecting the lights and a bit underneath the bumper. it is bolted to the frame so it *should* provide some protection if it is pushed in for any reason. i have no prior experience with these so i simply don't know.

i do like it (and get lots of compliments, actually) but would have picked a black one and perhaps one with a slightly lower profile. in your experiences would this be something to hang on to? Also those side steps are the next thing to go!

(p.s. does anyone else's wife think they are insane for putting so much thought into these things)

It would serve little to no function for me, so I would ditch it. Like said above, it would reduce the approach angle and I've already bent the under side of the bumper from going up rocks that were slightly too aggressive.

If I did keep it, I would paint the chrome tubes flat black to match the tubes of the roof rack.

My theory in almost all car mods I've done is that function follows form.


ETA- sell it and use money towards other mods.
 

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Looks like one you would see a big haired Texas woman driving.
 
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Yeah, I would agree with you 100% on that one! It sucks big time!

That reminds me...Do you know why Texas doesn't fall into the Gulf of Mexico?
Cuz Oklahoma sucks!

Carry on....:grin
 

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Hello everyone. Picked up my first FJ this year and am totally in love with it. Also love this forum. This thread got me thinking a little though and I would be interested to hear everyone's thoughts...

It seems like chrome is a negative to most folks in here, and functionality seems to rule over aesthetics when it comes to mods. The FJ i bought has a chrome bullguard and i am on the fence with it. it appears to serve a purpose - protecting the lights and a bit underneath the bumper. it is bolted to the frame so it *should* provide some protection if it is pushed in for any reason. i have no prior experience with these so i simply don't know.

i do like it (and get lots of compliments, actually) but would have picked a black one and perhaps one with a slightly lower profile. in your experiences would this be something to hang on to? Also those side steps are the next thing to go!

(p.s. does anyone else's wife think they are insane for putting so much thought into these things)
Even when chrome was in in the 80's I didnt go for it. As far as function; I remember another forum member saying something like these are called deductible getters because when they are pushed in they do more damage to the vehicle than would have been sustained if it were not there... I tend to agree.

Yes, my wife thinks I am crazy!:grin
 

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Their resale value holds high because it's a Toyota and that is long term not short term. Look for what other Toyotas are going for, it doesn't always apply to your region or demographics. The higher resale value is based on VEHICLES in production. The buying market has a thing for the newest and bestest, so watch carefully. You could get this FJ for alot cheaper or not, but remember there are others out there and you will learn from this and that will carry you thru life. Trust me on this I know.
New FJs still on sale here & resale values are still high. The reason? It's a Toyota.
 

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Thanks for the feedback regarding my grille guard, etc.
@tsfarling - not sure if you meant my FJ or the one lowlvlnoob is considering... if mine, would you recommend I drive around with a Large Marge wig while i am looking at options or were you picturing something different? :)
 

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To the OP-
Nothing wrong buying the FJ in the link. I don't know why anyone is concerned what kind of lift it has (spacer vs coilovers/springs). A spacer lift wont hurt it. I bought mine with a spacer lift... Ran it for over a year before I got a full suspension lift. (wheeled it too).

And as far as the chrome, it can be removed just as easy as the OEM plastic bumpers.

So unless you plan on buying it and just driving as it comes ( in which you would want it to come looking how you want it out of the gate), none of these things are an issue. I mean if you plan to mod it to your liking anyway, just get any FJ that meets your OEM requirements...then start modding. You take parts off to mod anyways and replace them w/ upgrades.

You'd be pulling the OEM bumper for a custom one, so what's pulling off one more piece of chrome??

I do agree it may be hard to sell the chrome parts... But who knows, some people are into it.
 

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after using the correct search terms i realized there are existing threads about the grille/brush guards/bullbars vs bumpers in here that covered my questions. thanks for not poking me with sticks.
 

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Just looked over the Carfax again, apparently it was SOLD on July 31st, 2015 by the very same dealership and now it is back for sale again after ONE month??? ALso this FJ was exported to Belgium and then imported back the states by the second owner!
 
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