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I dunno about you guys, but even if they put out a color that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, I ain't buyin' nothin' that gets 14mpg again...

When they come out with a FJ with a 4.2L Diesel and 20+mpg, then I'll run-crawl-skateboard to my closest dealer and give 'em a blank check. My next vehicle purchase, particularly if it's a FJ, I'll wanna keep for the next 20+ years. But gas, by 2010, is estimated to be 4 bux-a-gallon, easy. And that's with things in the Middle-ages, errr, I mean, Middle-East going in the West's favor and Iran not using its Nukes and...

Now yearly costs for gas, when ones does the math, really aren't that high; but that being said, I still want to be able to run that bio-diesel in the future if the need arises. And believe me it will. IN OUR LIFETIMES!

So we need to start a WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN to Toyota and hip them to the untapped demand that exists out here for a higher-mileage, high-torque 4x4. Just like the Landcruiser they still sell in Australia! The FJC would be perfect or it!

Damn. If the stinky Europeans can get 'em, why can't we?

Any other suggestions on how to get this off the ground? :confused:

email Toyota at: (unless somebody has a better email address??)

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I dunno about you guys, but even if they put out a color that makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, I ain't buyin' nothin' that gets 14mpg again...

When they come out with a FJ with a 4.2L Diesel and 20+mpg, then I'll run-crawl-skateboard to my closest dealer and give 'em a blank check. My next vehicle purchase, particularly if it's a FJ, I'll wanna keep for the next 20+ years. But gas, by 2010, is estimated to be 4 bux-a-gallon, easy. And that's with things in the Middle-ages, errr, I mean, Middle-East going in the West's favor and Iran not using its Nukes and...

Now yearly costs for gas, when ones does the math, really aren't that high; but that being said, I still want to be able to run that bio-diesel in the future if the need arises. And believe me it will. IN OUR LIFETIMES!

So we need to start a WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN to Toyota and hip them to the untapped demand that exists out here for a higher-mileage, high-torque 4x4. Just like the Landcruiser they still sell in Australia! The FJC would be perfect or it!

Damn. If the stinky Europeans can get 'em, why can't we?

Any other suggestions on how to get this off the ground? :confused:

email Toyota at: (unless somebody has a better email address??)

http://toyota.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/toyota.cfg/php/enduser/ask_intercept.php

Mark Amstock at Toyota said that the FJ is expected to hit the mid-20's for MPG and that's with the gasoline engine. He also said that Toyota expects to have their entire line up above 30 mpg by 2010. That's only 4 years. It might take them that long to fit a diesel for the FJ. Kick back, relaxe... the mileage is already better than you expected.

I'm with you entirely. I drive a vehicle that gets about 9 mpg right now. This year was hell with gas prices near or above $3 a gallon. But, the FJ rumors to get 3 times the mileage I am currently getting. That's good enough for me.
 

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Thats good to hear and i am sure i will be ridiculed for this but i hope that gas prices do stay up because it will make people and auto makers be more aware of what there buying and makeing and what they can get away with making and even at 3 bucks a gallon we are still so much cheaper than what anyone in europe is paying.
 

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The Europeans make a lot of trade offs with their much higher gas taxes. They have a national health care system (I'm still undecided on the pros and cons of nationalized health care here in the U.S.). I know in Germany for example, parents are sent about 300 dollars each month to assist in raising their kids, it costs next to nothing to go to college, they have much better roads, etc. There is also much better public transportation in Europe, it is not so spread out like the United States. The U.S. grew around the automobile, and that will be hard to change. In Europe, the automobile adapted for Europe's layout.

Edit: to at least try and stay on topic, I would love a diesel, but current laws in the U.S. (especially California, probably one of the larger markets for hte FJ) make it difficult to purchase diesel vehicles, and Toyota is currently VERY heavily invested in developing hybrids, so that will be a much realer possiblity.
 

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Canada signs the Kyoto something and this is about curbing emmissions. The government will eventually have to clamp down by increasing gas taxes and this will really put a lot of potential FJ buyers out. The Americans are smarter by not participating in it. Just a couple of months ago, we in Alberta saw the steady increase at the pumps and the dealerships were having a difficult time selling the pickip trucks. Yes, it would be nice to have diesel engines.
 

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Gas mileage figures are always inflated. Has anyone here ever gotten better mileage than the EPA estimates on the window sticker? ... huuummmm? SUV's are the worst offenders because the Gov't is in bed with the manufacturers and need the inflated figures to pass mileage mandates. My 4Runner 4wd 5spd was supposed to get 17-22... God, I'd kiss the Sultan's ass if I got above 14. Same for my F150, 17-19 listed and I've never gotten above 13.5. The FJ may be ADVERTISED as getting 20mpg, and if it does, hell, I might even buy one. But I'm not holding my breath as the basic configuration of the truck SCREAMS 14 mpg to me. DIESEL, DIESEL, DIESEL, DIE-SEL !! (and I don't mean Vin :D )
 

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I actually always beat the suggested highway miles in my vehicles. the city however is another story, usually a good 40% lower than EPA.

Seriously, if you are looking for good mileage in a vehicle buy a Prius :)
 

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I actually always beat the suggested highway miles in my vehicles. the city however is another story, usually a good 40% lower than EPA.

Seriously, if you are looking for good mileage in a vehicle buy a Prius :)
\Just go to the link and quickly fill it out, it no like you have any thing better to do-I mean how many times can u reread the same information about this ride on this site. I know I am up to about 14! :rolleyes:
 

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It is Kaw-lee-for-kneea's fault. I readlily agree as a CA resident. But I didn't vote for those bumbling Socialists in Sacramento, the rest of the Granola crowd did. And they're hypocrites to boot! All State and City vehicles are exempt from smog laws! That's why those diesel soot spewing buses we all get behind spew soot: because the damn legislators don't even hold themselves to the standards they set for the rest of us. AND, AND, they give diesels a bad image too. .. Also, mpd8488, I don't necessarily want a vehicle with good mileage. I want a vehicle that's capable of reaching the efficiency it's capable of with current technology. And I want to have the option of buying the same tech the REST of the world seems to have access to... Ain't that simple enough?

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Also, mpd8488, I don't necessarily want a vehicle with good mileage. I want a vehicle that's capable of reaching the efficiency it's capable of with current technology. And I want to have the option of buying the same tech the REST of the world seems to have access to... Ain't that simple enough?
That's a great point and I feel the same way, but I am just a little tired of seeing people complaining out loud at the gas pump about their gas mileage. Its seems that whenever I'm at the gas station some SUV driver decides to strike up a conversation with me complaining about their gas mileage figuring that as an SUV driver I would agree. Well, I don't agree, I knew exactly what I was getting into when I bought the vehicle. I have also had several Prius drivers snicker at me when I'm filling up, and that pisses me off even more. I'm willing to pay the price to drive an SUV, if other people aren't, I don't care.

/end rant, sorry.
 

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cheazhd said:
You'll see a hybrid FJ before you see a diesel FJ.


With today's society, cheazhd is right ! I assumed a year ago that they would put out a hybrid to help with marketing this vehicle. Glad I was wrong.
People look at diesel like its the plague !
But, in comparing this rig to other 4x4's the mileage won't be too bad. Just pack you lunch for a week instead of eating out and youv'e made up more than the difference for the rising gas prices. Now if you spend that extra money on beer, that's your own damn fault and I am guilty of that !! :eek:
 

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cheazhd said:
You'll see a hybrid FJ before you see a diesel FJ.

Wronggggggggg!!!!!! The hybrid is to heavy and not off road condusive
 

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It might take them that long to fit a diesel for the FJ. Kick back, relaxe... the mileage is already better than you expected....
they already have the diesel for the FJ Cruiser, its the 3.0 TD found in the LC Prado overseas. being that the FJ Cruiser and 4runner use essentially the same (slightly modified) chassis and running gear as the Prado i would imagine offering a diesel would be only a matter of meeting US emissions standards, a difficult proposition considering the quality of US diesel fuel. its the fuel in europe, more than the diesel technology, that makes the biggest difference in emissions. once the goverment actually institutes the low-sulfur/higher quality diesel fuel here (im not holding my breath...) manufacturers will have little trouble beating emissions standards. 'course by then i may be too old to drive anymore...
 

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they already have the diesel for the FJ Cruiser, its the 3.0 TD found in the LC Prado overseas. being that the FJ Cruiser and 4runner use essentially the same (slightly modified) chassis and running gear as the Prado i would imagine offering a diesel would be only a matter of meeting US emissions standards, a difficult proposition considering the quality of US diesel fuel. its the fuel in europe, more than the diesel technology, that makes the biggest difference in emissions. once the goverment actually institutes the low-sulfur/higher quality diesel fuel here (im not holding my breath...) manufacturers will have little trouble beating emissions standards. 'course by then i may be too old to drive anymore...
IF VW can do it in the GOLF then Toyota can easly meet emissions standard.
 

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That's a great point and I feel the same way, but I am just a little tired of seeing people complaining out loud at the gas pump about their gas mileage. Its seems that whenever I'm at the gas station some SUV driver decides to strike up a conversation with me complaining about their gas mileage figuring that as an SUV driver I would agree. Well, I don't agree, I knew exactly what I was getting into when I bought the vehicle. I have also had several Prius drivers snicker at me when I'm filling up, and that pisses me off even more. I'm willing to pay the price to drive an SUV, if other people aren't, I don't care.

/end rant, sorry.
The fact is diesel has tons more torque then gas motors which make it better for 4 wheeling
 
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