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Shudder- Fixed? New shifting issues- code P2714

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5.3K views 9 replies 4 participants last post by  coreyjsherman  
#1 ·
Hi all

I have a 2008 Automatic FJ with 208,xxx miles. I've had it since around 150,000. Done a lot of maintenance myself. This vehicle has been awesome, but the last owner didn't treat it super well. I've fixed a lot of problems left over from them. I've kept it alive and really enjoyed owning an FJ. I don't think I'm going to get too much more life out of it, but I wanna make it last at least another 6 months or so, so that I can get either a new 4Runner or Tacoma.

Here's my issue. Around 200,000 miles, I started to experience some pretty noticeable engine shudder. I ignored it for a while, but my wife would complain about it. When changing gears, the engine would "shudder", vibrate, shake. It would stop after a few seconds but sometimes it was harsh enough that you'd think "jeez".

I began to look into how to address this. Thought maybe I should change tranny fluid. Was informed by many people "don't do that, it's got 200k miles, bad idea." I looked into this a lot and read some posts here, as well as saw some videos, of people who used Lucas Transmission Fix, an additive, to fix this problem. I had previously used a Lucas Additive in my oil that seemed to work good so decided to try it after doing some research.

Bought it, added it to tranny fluid. Not a huge difference at first, thought it would need time to work it's way in. Then suddenly- boom, shudder gone. Tranny was shifting smooth, wife was happy, I felt proud of myself.

Well now, I have a new issue. A few weeks ago, I was on the highway accelerating up a hill, when I felt the car seemingly slip out of gear. RPMs shot up while speed remained the same, and I was like "wtf was that?"
After that, the transmission seemed to be having trouble with shifting. If I try to shift to quickly, like accelerate from a stop really fast, it will hang up, take a second, and then suddenly very harshly BOOM pop in to gear and throw me forward a bit. Sometimes when cruising on highway, I could feel it struggle to change. Other times it's fine. When I first start the car it seems ok, seems to happen more once it's warmed up. I noticed if I take it slower, it'll do ok.

Then the christmas tree lit up. I've had this happen before, I know it's standard, and I have a reader. So I take a look at the code and I get the following:
Code P2714
Pressure Control Solenoid D
Perfomance / Stuck Off

So I being to look into this. I'm seeing a lot of different solutions. Some say this can happen if you don't have enough tranny fluid. Some say it can happen if you have too much. Some say you just need to replace the SLT and SLU Solenoid. Some say to do just a small drain and fill of the fluid. I think I have some idea's about what I should do, but I'd love to hear some ideas or feedback before I proceed. I wanna tread carefully. It's an old car with a lot of miles, and I wanna make it last at least another 6 months or more, but I will also probably put another 10-15,000 miles on it in that time as I do a decent amount of driving for work, and need it to be reliable until I can afford to upgrade. I love my FJ, but it is nearing the end of its life with me as I need to move to something newer. Any advice is appreciated and I will respond. Thank you!
 
#2 · (Edited)
Absolutely the first thing do do ASAP without ANY additional driving to to check transmission fluid level.

If transmission is low on fluid, pump may start to draw in air, line pressure drops, and clutches start to slip.

DO NOT DRIVE if ANY slippage can be detected, as you can very quickly burn up clutch packs and then the transmission is truly dead.
 
#3 ·
I second what FJtest said. Check the fluid level. You may at this point want to dump what's in there from the pan since it may already be low and you don't want to run it, risking further damage. Then refill it with about 3.5 quarts of Toyota WS ATF through the fill plug no matter how much comes out when you perform the drain. Plus, that'll let you see the condition of the fluid that comes out, burned, brown, etc. It'll also get you close enough to the proper level to perform an actual level check. This is done with the FJ on level ground, the engine idling, the transmission pan temperature at 115F. You can use an infrared thermometer reading on the pan in a pinch, but from my experience, it will read about 3 or 4 degrees low. Once you reach that temp, remove the level check plug (it has an internal allen hex, not external hex like the drain plug has) and see if any fluid dribbles out. If it does, let it dribble out until it's a trickle and reinstall the plug. If none comes out, shut off the engine and add another half a quart through the fill plug on the side of the trans and recheck.
 
#9 ·
It's really simple. If in doubt about the fluid change interval with your transmission, just go ahead and do it. The only real expense is the Toyota WS ATF. Ouch. Other's here have used Valvoline's equivalent, but since we're mixing fluids here and not replacing the entire contents of the transmission (10 to 11 quarts) in one large flush, I just went with Toyota's.

In the spring, I just performed 3 drain and fills since my fluid was OEM and 11 years old. What I did was obtain a 6 quart see-through graduated container from Amazon. I removed the fill plug to vent things and drained out the pan. I did not remove the pan. The filter is just a screen, so why bother mucking with it and resealing the pan? I got around 3.5 quarts on the initial dump, but it may vary slightly depending on what's currently in the transmission. I put back in that amount since I'd never had any leaks and assumed the level was probably close to correct. I then did some driving to circulate the new fluid, going through all the gears of course. This procedure was repeated 2 more times and I took 3 days to do it, letting things cool to room temp each time. On the final drain and fill, I overfilled it slightly by a quarter of a quart from my drain out measurement, about 3.75 quarts. I did that because I'd rather let the excess drain out during the level check procedure than hassle with having to add more fluid working around a hot exhaust system. So when the trans reached 115F ( I was using my Torque Pro OBDII reader with the proper transmission PID's programed in so it could read the trans temp sensors), I pulled the pan check plug and let out a relatively small amount until it was just a dribble, so I was pretty close with my estimate on the overfill. An infrared thermometer can be used in a pinch, but I'd add around 3 degrees to whatever it claims is the pan temp. At least that's what I found when I compared it to what the trans sensors were reporting. The converter sensor will typically read higher than the other sensor once the trans is shifted into gear.
 
#10 ·
Update:

I did as suggested, bought Toyota brand ATF fluid, drained the pain, and added 3.5 quarts using a hand pump with tube to get it up in the fill hole.

Warmed up the engine, waited for it to get up to temp, ran it through the gears manually to get it flowing, and then did the fluid check by draining from the level check plug.

First time I did this, no fluid came out. Uh oh. Might explain my problem though.

So I shut it off, waited for it to cool down, and then added another half quart. Did the full process of the level check again and very little fluid came out this time. Added another half quart.

This time, got a good amount of fluid of of the check, and stopped it when it was at a trickle. Drove the car today and ZERO engine shudder, ZERO tranny slip or hard shifting like I was having previously. Drove exactly like you expect it to, nice and smooth.

Only thing I'm worried about now, is if I might have a transmission leak somewhere. Not sure as I havent done a tranny fluid change in a long time so that could be why as well.

Thanks for all the advice, you guys probably just saved me thousands.