I recently showed an article with a different picture asking the same question. Honestly, I hope it isn’t an EV, I could go with a hybrid but they gotta do it right with the maneuverability of it when it’s off road.

We don’t know for sure until we hear something from Toyota.

 

I recently showed an article with a different picture asking the same question. Honestly, I hope it isn’t an EV, I could go with a hybrid but they gotta do it right with the maneuverability of it when it’s off road.

We don’t know for sure until we hear something from Toyota.

The whole EV thing is interesting but I don't know how it would work in practice. You haul a Generac to base camp? 300 pounds of solar panels? And running out of charge in the outback could be a problem. I guess you could put a Rolls Royce micro reactor in the back seat: Micro-Reactor

 

My theory, at least for the American market, is that they are gauging interest in different models that could be labeled with the FJ name.

 

just pray they don't gay it up like the eclipse sport ute from Mitsubishi. company went from the lancer Evo and 3000gt to rolling vibrators

 

They should have just called the Land Cruiser 1958 an FJ Cruiser and been done with it. It has the hybrid I-Force Max in it, round headlights, elephant ear mirror, black fender flares, black body molding on the rockers and doors, silver rear bumper highlights, white roofline and an idiotic small gas tank just like the FJ. Yes some other Land Cruisers have these same features but all they had to do was add a hood vent and they would have been golden. I don’t like the idea of the FJ cruiser being diminished with a smaller or mini version like Chevrolet did with the Blazer name.

 

I want a bare bones offroader. Like the 2025 4runner SR5 but dumber and a little shorter and narrower. Hybrid optional. I'll take the turbo 4 if I have to. Tuning and exhaust would be interesting to tinker with on with that motor. I've actually debated getting a 25 4runner but I don't really have a need for anything better than my 96.

 

Oh yeah, and the starting price for 4x4 "FJ" model at $36k, not $46k like the 4runner. I bought a top of the line new 2020 Supra for that.

 

I think this is a whole lot of corporate virtue signaling, and that an off-road EV is a contradiction in terms - just a stoopid idea. Won’t fly. Maybe hybrid would but still, no thanks 👎

 

Just the fact that there are a few different versions they are teasing us with is encouraging to me. They REALLY need to get a new FJ model out there. I can't believe Toyota would give up total market share to the Bronco. I do love the current loaded Land Cruiser, but frankly, I can't afford it. Just give us the full-spec 2014 FJ. It doesn't even have to be a Trail Teams version. Please Toyota, bring the beast back!

 

I still think THIS should be the next FJ. Imagine.....(Sigh)

 

The new FJ will have to be fossil fuel or a hybrid.

I don't think Toyota will ever go all electric. There's already a lot of push back in California to keep fossil fuel cars. Gov Newsom says he's going to fight the federal lawsuit. Good luck!

CA 0 Emissions mandate: In 2035, California aims for 100% zero-emission new vehicle sales. This means that all new cars, trucks, and SUVs sold in the state must be either battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) or plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs). PHEVs can account for up to 20% of the overall sales mix. Meaning that cars from other states eventually won't be able to get fuel???

The Federal Lawsuit: US Senate blocks California’s electric car mandate in historic vote

 

I was told, or I read somewhere, that the Toyota corporate goal is the be all hybrid. Seems they are moving from reliable simplicity to questionable complexity. My experience with the new LC hybrid was very disappointing in design and function.

Honda is wisely keeping their NA V6, for now.

 

California is able to pass laws by simple majority. This means some really radical laws without logical ways to satisfy them get passed, and then repealed if that's the case. Remember the EV mandate from the late '90s (same thing happened then, too). That first mandate resulted in the Honda and Toyota hybrids, and the short lived GM EV1. Honda and Toyota went all in on meeting it. GM made a token effort with the EV1 making only about 1000 of them. The other OEMs decided to just wait it out and do nothing.

As a result, Honda and Toyota developed effective next generation systems which gradually all of the other OEMs benefited from (electric AC, electric PS, hybrid tech, etc.).

Those Toyota hybrids are typically used as taxicabs in most US cities, routinely getting 500k miles on their original drivetrains (astronomical, compared with the previous taxicab mainstream, the Ford Crown Vic).

Toyota has never planned to be against EV, in fact the whole concept of Hybrid was always considered the first step towards electrification, but has maintained that the amount of rare, raw materials necessary to convert the entire national fleet to full EV was out of proportion to what is available globally (and mostly from China). You can build 90 hybrids for the same amount of those raw materials as it takes to make 1 EV.

We'll see what CA does between now and 2035, but all indications are the world automakers won't be able to meet it, due to physical limitations out of scale out of everyone's control (like raw materials from China), and then CA will adjust the mandate accordingly.


Laws are intended to move the needle, but when the needle is moved too far for reality, they can be adjusted.

 

California is able to pass laws by simple majority. This means some really radical laws without logical ways to satisfy them get passed, and then repealed if that's the case. Remember the EV mandate from the late '90s (same thing happened then, too). That first mandate resulted in the Honda and Toyota hybrids, and the short lived GM EV1. Honda and Toyota went all in on meeting it. GM made a token effort with the EV1 making only about 1000 of them. The other OEMs decided to just wait it out and do nothing.

As a result, Honda and Toyota developed effective next generation systems which gradually all of the other OEMs benefited from (electric AC, electric PS, hybrid tech, etc.).

Those Toyota hybrids are typically used as taxicabs in most US cities, routinely getting 500k miles on their original drivetrains (astronomical, compared with the previous taxicab mainstream, the Ford Crown Vic).

Toyota has never planned to be against EV, in fact the whole concept of Hybrid was always considered the first step towards electrification, but has maintained that the amount of rare, raw materials necessary to convert the entire national fleet to full EV was out of proportion to what is available globally (and mostly from China). You can build 90 hybrids for the same amount of those raw materials as it takes to make 1 EV.

We'll see what CA does between now and 2035, but all indications are the world automakers won't be able to meet it, due to physical limitations out of scale out of everyone's control (like raw materials from China), and then CA will adjust the mandate accordingly.


Laws are intended to move the needle, but when the needle is moved too far for reality, they can be adjusted.

There's a sad story that CA was becoming the most expensive 3rd world nation. The curve is starting to flatten because it cannot continue, large cities are starting to die, refineries are planning to close, the power grid is falling apart, and nuclear power was being shut down. But diesel trucks still have to transport goods to and from the port of Los Angeles. Ships have to refuel. Jet's need JET A-1. Without diving deeper int the socioeconomic debate which would require therapy, federal funding has been cut, the free money is gone, and the train to nowhere has been cancelled. Communities that are mega wealthy like mine will get their our own micro-reactors and desalinization plants. We privately own all the land around us and created a 22,000 acre buffer zone. A bubble: https://lagunagreenbelt.org/ But in order to leave the bubble we still need Dinosaur burners. Fossil fuel and nuclear are coming back, especially in the high end communities that privatize everything. I will put my money on hybrid solutions where a company like Toyota can market them anywhere in the world, but I'm keeping my FJ .

 

@norm356 Wow - 1EV=90 hybrids….😳 I’m still at 1FJ=100% 🤩

 

California is made up of, like, 4 very different "states" with little in common.
But so is the entire nation, made up of states with surprisingly little in common.

When we are at our best is when we find ways to work together.
When we are at our worst is when we focus only on what separates us and we fractionalize and become small.

 

I think they need to keep with the round headlight and bezel to keep calling it an FJ. Just my thought. Like someone else said like the LC 1958…