[FJ Newbie]

The 2010 takes 87 octane.
Minimum for 2009 and prior is 91.

To me that's the most valuable improvement.

For the rest check out the attached doc

Very nice attachment!!!!! Appears that the 2010 is better on paper. Only time will tell which is better.

 

[DEWFPO]

And they're tuned for more hp and torque so they can beast around stock what 07-09. Do with an aftermarket cai LOL

The '10 model has slightly less Torque then the '07-09's.

DEWFPO

 

[SWutah]

you guys are not reading the above attachment that details all the changes to the FJC from 2009 to 2010. All were improvements and there were a ton of them. I think I understand that if you have a older model that does not have all the improvements you are living in denial, which is just down the street from OH FUCH . :thinkerg:

 

[Ragnar Danneskjöld]

Man after reading the attached. There are major and many changes/improvements made by toyota from the 2009 model to the 2010 model. Read it and you will know the facts. axles, diff's, frame, engine, steering. All improved and beefed up.

HEY! Page 39, section "b" is all about me!!! :lol:

 

[FJ Newbie]

There supposed to be improvements and look like improvements but only time will tell. You always hear how some years are better than others and some improvements were proven to be worst. Every car mfg whats to improve their cars, but the test of time will reveal the true improvements from the bad ones.

 

[Harp]

Thats interesting since all vehicles that are specified by the manufacturer for hp at 87 octane will always have more hp at higher octane since the fuel burns more efficiently. Otherwise you wouldnt need 104 and up for race fuel.

Knock does play into it but there is plenty of documentation readily available to disprove your statement.

Race fuels typically (not always) have higher octane because the engines they are intended for are built with higher compression and thus are more prone to pre-detonation (knock).

Race fuels, generally, provide their oomph through additives that increase their energy potential, but may require modification to the engine's fuel system management software (e.g. programmable ecu or a "chip") to take advantage of the fuel.

OK...back on topic. 2010+ all the way. :rocker:

 

[Old Cruiser]

The '10 model has slightly less Torque then the '07-09's.

DEWFPO

And this makes me laugh because the amount is what- 7ft/lbs. I dont think anyone would even notice that difference. Best part is, those numbers were conceived when using 91 octane so the engine could get more out of the fuel. When dropped to 87 the 07-09 model does perform well but less than the original numbers. The 2010 has more torque since its ratings were done with 87 octane from the start. So put in a TRD filter and tell me you feel the difference (I didnt) and thats more torque than what the original numbers differed. :cheers:

Like I said before- buy the FJ you like and the engine will be more than sufficient to do what its intended to do. :bigthumb:

In the end- if you crave more speed and power there are always ways of getting that done to either engine. The same cannot be said of the Toyota Yaris which is my current rental car...:lol:

 

[USA4X4]

Ahh sucks guys.....2007 or 2011 they all wheel the same and get the job done nicely.

 

[USA4X4]

oops should be aww..shucks guys....they all wheel the same.

 

[Old Cruiser]

Race fuels typically (not always) have higher octane because the engines they are intended for are built with higher compression and thus are more prone to pre-detonation (knock).

Race fuels, generally, provide their oomph through additives that increase their energy potential, but may require modification to the engine's fuel system management software (e.g. programmable ecu or a "chip") to take advantage of the fuel.

OK...back on topic. 2010+ all the way. :rocker:

That may be true to an all out race car but when friend and I took his 98 Dodge Viper to a Viper day event at Beaverun track there was a huge difference with 104 octane than with 94 (both Sunoco). We only had one day and the first tank was a mixture but the second was all 104!!!

That was fast...

But I like FJ's now and speed is not my thing. Getting past or over boulders is so I say any FJ wins (as long as the motor hasnt been ruined by the last owner:lol

 

[LSU]

Great attachment. Thanks you for that. I read through ok scaned through the entire attachment, but I did not see any info on the changes outside of the engine. Your post mentioned changes to the axle, differential etc etc etc. Were all of those changes outlines somewhere else? Can you direct me to a list of those changes?

Also, other than the packages and the radio features and the wheels is anyone aware of any mechanical changes made from 10 to 11?

 

[Old Cruiser]

Seems mostly cosmetic between 10 and 11. Not sure anything else mechanical changed. Would be expensive to keep retooling the factories. Looks like they will be around for a while since they just hit Japan for the first time and will be sold in New Zealand and Australia as 2011/12 models

:cheers:

 

[LSU]

how about a list of those other changes from 9-10?

 

[Layonnn]

And they're tuned for more hp and torque so they can beast around stock what 07-09. Do with an aftermarket cai LOL

The 2010+ engine does not have more torque.

 

[Old Cruiser]

The 2010+ engine does not have more torque.

If both engines are tested on 87 octane- the 2010 will have the advantage

1GR-FE 4.0 L V6 from a 2007 Toyota FJ CruiserThe 1GR-FE is the 4.0 L version. Bore is 94 mm and stroke is 95 mm. Output is 236 hp (176 kW) at 5200 rpm with 266 lb·ft (361 N·m) of torque at 4000 rpm on 87 octane, and 239 hp (178 kW) at 5200 rpm with 278 lb·ft (377 N·m) at 3700 rpm on 91 octane. This engine features Toyota's VVT-i, variable valve timing system on the intake cam and a compression ratio of 10.0:1. An updated version of this engine features Dual VVT-i, increasing output to 258 hp (192 kW) and 270 lb·ft (366 N·m) on 87 octane and 270 hp (201 kW) and 278 lb·ft (377 N·m) on 91 octane.

:cheers:

 

[Layonnn]

What the POO!

The 2010 engine gains 12HP from using 91octane and the earlier engine only gets 3HP, that suxxxx.

:lol:

 

[Old Cruiser]

What the POO!

The 2010 engine gains 12HP from using 91octane and the earlier engine only gets 3HP, that suxxxx.

:lol:

You said POO! :lol:

 

[SWutah]

Toyota gave the 2010-11's a new frame based on the LC 150 frame which has doublers ,extra frame supports up front and a stronger grade of steel in critical areas to remedy the problems of the older 120 frame.

They also beefed up the rearend with the stronger 12 bolt differentials to fix the problems there with the older 10 bolt diffs and the weaker pinion gear. Many other improvements throughout also including a major upgrade to the engine.

 

[71roadrunner]

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Actually, looking at the engine specs., I'm surprised there isn't a much larger increase in horsepower and torque for the 2010.

Lots of new parts in the heads alone (in fact they are totally different heads). Camshaft placement is entirely different. Intake ports are larger. Valve train is totally changed (roller rocker arms are used with hydraulic lash adjusters). Variable valve timing is now applied to the exhaust cams. Valve timing profile is changed considerably on both the intake and exhaust sides. Pistons are lighter and compression ratio has been increased. Crankshaft is different (4 fewer balance weights). Throttle valve diameter has been increased. Exhaust headers are more efficient. Plus a number of other smaller things.

Will it be better ? How so ? Do you mean 'new-out-of-the-box' or 'over-the-long-haul' ? Who knows...... the majority of differences on this new engine have raised the complexity level by another notch or two. I guess you have to ask yourself...... lately, does Toyota have an excellent reputation for engineering longevity into their ever increasingly complex creations ?

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[SWutah]

My experience with Toyota/Lexus and increased complexity and long term reliablity has been very positive. I've owned a 1984 Toyota 4X4 pickup that was bullet proof but a little under powered. I've owned an FZJ80 that was one of the vehicles I loved the most of any, I owned a 1999 100 series, a 2004 LX470. I've also owned several Lexus cars, SC400,SC430, LS400, ES300. I've never had a problem with any Toyota product and it seems like the newer the higher the quality, heck they are all reliable. I have not notice this with my Mercedes vehicles. Had a 2003 SL500 that I had to replace about $7000 worth of items. But Mercedes has also improved a lot. My CLS63 AMG was bullet proof. JMHO

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Actually, looking at the engine specs., I'm surprised there isn't a much larger increase in horsepower and torque for the 2010.

Lots of new parts in the heads alone (in fact they are totally different heads). Camshaft placement is entirely different. Intake ports are larger. Valve train is totally changed (roller rocker arms are used with hydraulic lash adjusters). Variable valve timing is now applied to the exhaust cams. Valve timing profile is changed considerably on both the intake and exhaust sides. Pistons are lighter and compression ratio has been increased. Crankshaft is different (4 fewer balance weights). Throttle valve diameter has been increased. Exhaust headers are more efficient. Plus a number of other smaller things.

Will it be better ? How so ? Do you mean 'new-out-of-the-box' or 'over-the-long-haul' ? Who knows...... the majority of differences on this new engine have raised the complexity level by another notch or two. I guess you have to ask yourself...... lately, does Toyota have an excellent reputation for engineering longevity into their ever increasingly complex creations ?

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